Someone sent me this article about a sect of Gay and Lesbian “Christians” from the Metropolitan Community Church and one of their leaders. I could not believe what I was reading:
“My technique of meditative prayer was to envision Christ with me and experience him as a lover. Scott Haleman, Betty Dodson, and Joe Kramer argue that masturbation can be spiritual and can become a form of transcendental meditation. Masturbation can harness fantasies and sexual energy. When prolonged, it can stimulate and extend pleasure. When fantasies are focused into making love with Christ, the experience opens itself to a fundamental and profound consciousness of God. My visualizations of Jesus were certainly explicit, erotically envisioning various forms of making love to Jesus the Christ. I had sexual intercourse with Jesus. Sometimes he was the top, and sometimes he was the bottom. My relationship with Christ was mutual and deep. (Rev. Dr. Robert E. Goss, senior pastor of the MCC’s “Church of the Valley” in North Hollywood, CA. In his 2002 book, Queering Christ) ”
I am sorry to even have to repeat such filth, but I think it is important for us all to understand the depth of depravity that exists in the world today. I have heard unrepentive homosexuals say some far out things about Jesus and his supposed homosexual lifestyle with the apostles, but this by far surpasses anything I’ve heard before.
In my book, The Spirits of Sexual Perversion Handbook, I talk about the spirit of sexual fantasy and how it detaches one from reality. Notice how in the above article sexual fantasy is mentioned. I also talk about the spirit of lust and how once you are taken by lasciviousness (extreme lust), you often become deeply involved in witchcraft and spiritualism and are forever lost. Notice how in the above they talk about transcendental meditation, a common form of witchcraft.
I hate to keep pounding the pavement on the masturbation issue, but I believe it to be such a dangerous practice. Have you ever heard of a gateway drug? Marijuana is often referred to as a gateway drug because it has been scientifically proved that it is not physically addictive. It is however mentally and emotionally addictive. Furthermore, it has also been proved through studies that the use of marijuana often leads to heavier drug use, such as crack and heroin. Therefore it is called the gateway drug. I call masturbation “the gateway sex”. Like marijuana, there is nothing about masturbation that is physically addictive, but it extremely mentally and emotionally addictive. It is difficult to masturbate without it leading to other acts of sexual depravity, especially sexual fantasy. It is also a door opener for homosexuality, fornication, lust and all other forms of perversion. The Bible says that we should give the devil no foothold. To all of you masturbation advocates, I would like to know why you would even want to toy around with this gateway sex called masturbation. Besides, how many practicing masturbators can honestly say that they do not fantasize while masturbating? If you think you can continue to masturbate and keep your sexual activity just at that level, you are fooling yourself!
I hope this will give you all something to think about concerning the dangers of masturbation because out of even those of us Christians that admit masturbation is a dangerous and unclean practice, very few of us really do what we have to do to get delivered from this activity. We say we want to stop, but do we really? Are you really willing to die to self, turn over your plate, turn off the TV and war with satan until you are free?
Have a lovely weekend. 🙂
In His Power,
Minister Laneen A. Haniah
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I like how you made it clear that lesbians and gays cannot be “Christians”. Who are YOU to judge? I have tried every route possible to “change” my sexuality back to the “normal” way for 7 years now and guess what-I’m still the same. Now when I say I, what I mean is I have had Christian counseling all the way to deliverance ministry. I have NO DOUBT in my heart mind and soul that I am a born again Christian. And I love how “Christians” like you judge us and put us down. No wonder we don’t attend a “Normal” church. We are not accepted. It’s hard to think the God accepts us when even His own children don’t. Wow-don’t we all have a long way to go. Do I believe in what the minister says about masturbation-NO WAY. But just like any other human function. There’s radicals in every group. Including the Christians. I’m radical about one thing and that is loving people for where they are at and let God do the rest. Thanks for another example of how much we are not accepted. No wonder there’s so much suicide and drug use in the gay and lesbian world. Thanks to the “righteous ones”!!!!
Brooke, I cannot speak for her (Anavah) but I do not think she said anything about Lesbians and Gays not being Christians. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour knowing that he died on the cross for your sins, you are a Christian. Today’s church is notoriously hypocritical on so many issues. So I definitely empathize with you.
Though this is not the current topic of discussion, the issue you bring up is whether you have a place in heaven if you are homosexual. Thirty years ago, that question would have been considered rhetorical. So today, here is what I would tell you. We are all born with imperfections. One person may battle the sin of greed, another the sin of promiscuity. Some of these battles are life-long. In other words seven years is not enough. Ultimately only God can make the decision on who is going to hell and heaven. So keep working at it and keep it all in prayer.
Do you actually read any Bible? Your (false) comment typifies the problem with the millions of “self appointed Christians” who, for the most part, have been duped into this notion of evangelicalism’s “say” some words and your on your way to heaven. I don’t mind – sadly – breaking it to anyone, the following NON-CHRISTIAN quote is absolutely, patently false and you will find it NO WHERE in God’s Word.
“As long as you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour knowing that he died on the cross for your sins, you are a Christian” – that lie, is going to prove to be, eternal HELL to BILLIONS OF PEOPLE who swallowed it from moronic “self appointed Christians” who by the way, have all those people’s BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!”
You can’t call me a hypocrite, liar or anything else either, what I am saying is straight out of the Word Of God, and the fact is, as much as I “think” and or “say” I love Jesus, and want to go to heaven, I also, humbly realize, compared to Jesus’ own commands and instructions on who’s saved and who isn’t, my life is a mess, and I have serious doubts about my own salvation – NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I SAY A PRAYER! Which is why it astonishes me how any unrepentant pervert can so arrogantly announce they’re on their way to heaven?
I would never DARE to “presume” I am saved. What a dangerous, dumb and arrogant thing to say.
AT BEST, “MAYBE” a non practicing homosexual who spends his time realizing the dangerous position they are in, continually calling on God for His wonderful GIFT of repentance to help him abstain, NEVER, EVER, EVER publicly supporting his UNWANTED sin, and MAYBE, he’ll skin through the gate – MAYBE!
GOD’S Gifts DO NOT FAIL! – that’s the deal folks, the fact that “REPENTING” is “A GIFT FROM GOD” – meaning, “He gives it to those HE WANTS IN HEAVEN,” and that someone is NOT repentant, or even wanting to stop, should scare the hell out of anyone! Thus, someone who is saved, will indeed have the GIFT, and NEVER, EVER, would they claim unrepentant people are “saved.”
Brooke,
God loves us, not matter who we are, not matter what we do. Our salvation does not lie in assenting to a concept, but in repentance…making God’s will our own. We are either headed toward union with God, our away from Him. While I don’t think the author was “judging” you or homosexuals, and was right to point out the danger of masturbation (for both heteros and homosexuals), you are correct to point out, that our energies are best applied in judging ourselves, and not our neighbor. Have I repented of sin, and striven for what is good? Have I yieled myself to Christ and His holy will, or do I inist on my own sensibilities?
My problem with the whole “Born-again” thing, is that we delude ourselves into thinking, “Hey I am saved!” and therfore sperate what we do and how we live from the spiritual side of our life. Thats not Chrisitanity, thats Gnosticism.
Pray for me a sinner,
Fr. Dcn. Raphael
Dear Brooke,
I can see that you have really been hurt by the religous ones in today’s church, operating in the same spirit that the Pharisees in Jesus’s day did. However, I must say that it is you who unfairly judged me and not the other way around. Please read this quote from a book that I’ve written called, The Spirits of Sexual Pereversion Handbook,
“I am sorry that so many “so-called” Christians are mean and abusive toward you and other gays. I have heard preachers use words like “fag” and “butch” right from the pulpit. It breaks my heart and incites righteous indignation within me. This is not the love of Jesus, who showed compassion to the masses of people no matter what their sin was. In spite of these evil and deceived people, please know that God loves you. He does not approve of your lifestyle, but He does love you just the way that you are. The taunts of these hateful people are not a reflection of how Jesus feels about you nor are they a reflection of His love and desire for you. He just wants to take you in His arms and make you whole. Please ignore them. Give Christ Jesus a chance to redeem and restore your life!”
I in no way indicated that someone struggling with homosexuality cannot be a born again believer in Jesus Christ. I have a great heart of compassion for those struggling with homosexuality and am an advocate for their acceptance in The Church. Homosexuality is no different than fornication, lying, stealing, cursing, gluttony and many of the other sins and weaknesses that we as human beings deal with. Human frailty and weakness does not exclude anyone from salvation, including yourself or any other person that is under the oppression of the spirit of homosexuality.
Having said that, these people that I wrote the article about claim to be “Christian”. The word Christian means to be “Christ like” and there is NOTHING AT ALL CHRISTIAN (CHRIST LIKE) about this sect of gay and lesbian heretics. What they proclaim is the most sikcening form of blashemey and heresy I’ve ever wittnessed and my article was speaking against them alone. Furthermore, my focus was not so much on these homosexuals as it is on masturbation, which if you had bothered to read more of my articles on this blog, you would see I speak out against very clearly and quite frequently.
There is a grave difference between being simply born again, and being a Christian. No one who is actively PRACTICING A SINFUL LIFESTYLE, whether that be a lifestyle of homosexuality, drug use, lying, murder or any other sin, is a Christian. When we are babes in Christ, it may take quite some time for sin issues to be resolved in our lives. Therefore some who are born again, may not necessarily be Christians. However, at the same time we are mandated as born again believers in Christ to live up to the standard of holiness that is set before us. We should all change and become more like Christ over time. To struggle with homosexual thoughts and feelings, is quite different than to actively, without repentance practice a sexual gay lifestyle. Fornication is sin, POINT BLANK. Whether hetrosexual fornication or homosexual fornication, it is sin. God said that if a person does not eventually cease these activities they will be lost.
I agree with what Mike said about you Brooke and I agree with Raphael as well. I still believe in you and the Christ in you. I don’t care what kind of counseling you’ve been through. Most people that counsel in these matters are seriously lacking knowledge. The ones I have worked with have changed and are happy. I am willing to speak with you further if you care to.
I LOVE YOU MY SISTER IN CHRIST. 🙂
Mike and Raphael,
Thanks for trying to help Brooke understand. I hope we have all help to comfort her.
You are in our prayers Raphael. 🙂 Why did you call yourself a sinner?
We are all “sinners” SAVED BY GRACE. The fact that He saved us is the beginning. He said IF!! you love me—you will keep my commandments! He didn’t say you will try. He said you WILL. In our souls we have the MIND, the WILL and our EMOTIONS. It is in your WILL that you OBEY Him. We can try try and don’t succeed in our flesh. But when you surrender ALL to Him — He will break the power of sin over you in your life. These spirits that lure us into sinning against what God has said in His Holy word are not playing with you. If you give them a foothold, they will take the door down. NO COMPROMISE is the key. NONE, suffer in your flesh. He said if your eye offends you “pluck it out”!!!! Yield NOT to the same old temptations, for yeilding is sin. Sin breaks fellowship with our Holy God! Brooke you are holding on to something at “they” know it!!! As for those who are entrapped and ensnared in the disgusting way of life is because the MIND has never been renewed. Our ways of thinking and rationalizing are NOT His ways. We agree with God even when we don’t understand!!!! He is the object of our faith and our worship. This is very upsetting to me that someone would actually conjure up some mess like this!!!! I am furious!!!!!!!!
The title alone turns my stomach!
“When fantasies are focused into making love with Christ….”; “My visualizations of Jesus were certainly explicit, erotically envisioning various forms of making love to Jesus the Christ.” So much for casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. (2 Cor. 10:5).
As for “I had sexual intercourse with Jesus…My relationship with Christ was mutual and deep.”, such blasphamey only brings the following Truth to light: “…instead they became futile and godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened….Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity… [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin]; Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie…For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions….” (Rom. 1:21-24, 26)
I can’t think of a worst state of mind—or etermity—to be in! My prayer is that the souls of such depraved and blinded individuals will not rest until they come to the Light of Christ, repent and receive the mind of Him Who is pure and holy before while there is yet time!
Because people have called gays and lesbians bad name in no way changes what God’s Word says about people who habitually sin. They will not inherit the kingdom of God. Lets not forget its not about name calling. Thats a side issue when it comes to Brooke’s soul. Truth is what liberates, not emotional identification based on mistreatment.
Brooke, I would suggest that you read this and re-evaluate what you have done. Salvation is no therapy, Christian counseling or exgay groups. Salvation is about repentance for one’s sins.
You seem offended that gays and lesbians cannot be Christians. That’s not the issue. The issue is are you RIGHT with God according to his Word.
BROOK: heres the article
Brooke:
“It’s hard to think the God accepts us when even His own children don’t. Wow-don’t we all have a long way to go.”
God does indeed accept us as we are upon receiving His Son, Jesus Christ, as our Savior and Lord; however, God does not expect us to STAY the way we are; hence, needing to make Jesus Lord—truly Lord in our lives.
Second Peter 3 verse 9 clearly states: “The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.” Repentance—to turn away from sin; to make a 180-degree turn from our sinful, ungodly behavior AND mindsets. If true repentance were not possible, God would not require it. So, a renew of our minds is required for there is “no temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.” (1Cor. 10:13). Because of the aforementioned promise, true repentance–breaking away from the stronghold of homosexuality (that spirit that has a strong hold on your life)—is possible.
Brooke, I am not saying it’s easy, but I am saying it is possible. As always, let’s look as Christ Himself as our example: “For we do not have a High Priest Who is unable to understand and sympathize and have a shared feeling with our weaknesses and infirmities and liability to the assaults of temptation, but One Who has been tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sinning.” (Heb. 4:15) Jesus was tempted in EVERY area of His life—you just read it for yourself—yet, He never sinned. There is no area/situation in our lives that Jesus was not Himself tempted in yet He was victorious because He held on (was obedient) to the Word—the commands of His heavenly Father—that were in Him; and, my dear saint, having the Word of God in you is the key: knowing, believing and agreeing with the Word of God, which is alive and active! (Heb. 4:12) WE ARE CLEANSED by the very Word of God (Eph. 5:26).
Do you really wanna get cleansed and delivered from the spirit of homosexuality? I mean really! If so, it starts with getting liberated, which is a state of mind; and we renew our mind with and by the Word of God. Secondly, you need to continue in your steadfast pursuit and dedicated submission to godly, rightly-divided counsel. One who is called to this area of ministry, who will LOVINGLY guide you through the Scriptures (and help you apply them to your life and specifically that demonic stronghold) while FIRMLY holding you accountable. From personal counsel received from Min. Laneen, I can testify that she is such an anointed vessel of God; hence, my encouraging you to accept her offer of speaking with her.
Moreover, as Min. Laneen advised, it will require that you enter into a fast—turning your plate down (quieting your flesh) as you seek the Father and His holiness diligently, placing yourself in His presence for consecration (set apart for His holy use) as you lay yourself on His altar, allowing Him to work on you as He needs to. Allowing His consuming fire to burn off the dross in your life. Trust Him, dear one, you will never be the same!
Lastly, as you submit to the above directives, be patient with yourself. Salvation (our transformation into the image of Christ) is a process–a process, when wholly submitted to, will assure you of a perfect ending for “I am convinced and sure of this very thing, that He Who began a good work in you will continue until the day of Jesus Christ [right up to the time of His return], developing [that good work] and perfecting and bringing it to full completion in you.” (Phil. 1:6)
If you wanna talk some more, I too avail myself to you at overcomer_in_christ@yahoo.com.
Amen Minister Yvette,
That is the appropriate use of those scriptures in your comment #7. People often try to use those scriptures you quoted from Romans to condemn certain sexual practices in marriage. However when you look at the grave and serious nature of what God has said in those scriptures, you know that He is speaking of those that just don’t care anymore. Those that make no effort to follow him. This scripture is not for those who are a little confused or radical in their marital bedroom practices. These scrips are for the type of sick and depraved people we read about in that article, POINT BLANK!
Thanks for bringing that to light. 🙂
yvettellington,
thats what gays and lesbians need. The scriptures DO address their situations. It tells them how to get free and how to stay free. It also tells them what it takes to get free.
But whats interesting is that when you read it, you find it applies to ALL OF US. We cant create a different system for homosexuals. There is only one Bible and it effectively deals with all manner of sin.
If the scriptures could speak to my sinful ways 17 years ago and by adhereing to it, bring me freedom (and contentment), then Brooke can get the same thing from the same God who promises it to all!!!
We cant be sidetracked by issues such as social justice, gay marriage etc. If we were to resolve all those issues and a person still has not accepted Jesus Christ, then they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Brooke seems to seeking the approval of the church, rather than seeking the forgiveness of God. Thats a problem because the former has no power to deal with the issues of the heart many homosexuals struggle with. The church is simply a conduit for God to work through, but is flawed from a people perspective.
Thanks for a great exposition.
Thanks to you all for your hearing my heart. And Anavah-I’m so sorry that I came across as judging you. Honestly, I only found you by chance (reading the whole Juanita Bynum article) I saw the quotes on Christian combined with gays and started shooting with both barrells- so to speak.As far as the article goes-yuck! Thanks to you and all that responded. I didn’t know that it was going to come to this. God Bless you all! And I mean it from my heart.
Thanks Brooke for coming back to comment. I am praying for you. I used to struggle with homosexuality. I know the feelings you battle. I hope you will order my book and stay in touch with me. I think it will really help you alot.
with Love,
Anavah
http://www.victoriouslyfree.org
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See in the Spirit with Your Heart–Not Your Mind!
87. (Prophecy:) There are glories to be revealed unto you, but you must walk by faith, and not by sight. For have I not convinced you in Spirit that these things are spiritually discerned? Do not try to understand them in your mind, for it is your heart that I seek. Your mind was created to be used by your heart–not for your heart to be led about by your mind. I have compassion, I understand, I see that these are difficult things. In the flesh they seem perverse, but in the Spirit they are glorious!
88. For I desire you! I desire to hold you close and to fill you with My seeds!–My seeds of love, My strength, My goodness, My kindness, My loving, My giving, My compassion, My empathy! The things that My Father has given to Me I will give to you, if you can receive it. If you can open wide your heart to Me, I will fill you with My Love to overflowing, and you will revel in it! You will love Me in a way that you have never known before!
89. I will make you a strong , the strong soldiers that you wish to be. For there are great battles ahead, and great struggles, and you will need My Love and My strength and that closeness with Me, that unbreakable bond between you and Me. I love you, and this is the reason that I pour My New Wine unto you, because I know that you love Me and you want to be My strong soldiers in these Last Days.
90. So lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Me and I will direct your paths, and I will give you understanding in all these things. But worry not, fear not, be not condemned, for this reaction is to be expected. For it is a shock, it is a shocking revelation. But spiritual revelations are shocking, and they have shocked the world since the beginning of time. And only the men of faith, only those that walk by faith have been able to enter in to each new phase, each new stage that I am taking you in this progression into the spirit world.
91. So come, come with Me! Let us come together in Spirit! For I love you, and I need you. I need you to be strong. Have I not said unto you, “Lovest thou Me?–Feed My sheep”? But without Me you can do nothing. And if you wish to be stronger and stronger and stronger spiritually, you must come unto Me and let Me overflow you, overwhelm you, inspire you, and lift you to the Heavenlies, to heights you have never known before! I will use you even more mightily than you have ever been used!
92. I will lead you into new realms in the Spirit, new depths! You shall plunge into waters that are so fresh and so deep and so full of My revelations and My wisdom and My knowledge and My understanding! But first you must give yourselves to Me, fully, that I may know that your love is so bound with Mine that I can trust you with these deep things of My Spirit.
93. Be not weary in well doing. Lift up your hands and praise Me and trust Me, for I will lead you one step at a time and I will not give you more than you can bear. For there has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man, but I will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able, but will make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.
94. I love you, My children! Trust Me, as you always have. Trust Me now. Trust your father David as he continues to lead and guide you and be My strong helper. (End of prophecy.)